Comments on: Phorm’s internet-tracking service ‘illegal’, academics say http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/ All the latest on UK broadband internet Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:02:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: kudos http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-109 kudos Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:42:50 +0000 http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-109 The 'Phorm Comms Team' has been already been 'outed' as a well paid team of PR merchants whose purpose is to look out for potentially damaging anti-Phorm issues and reply to 'bad press'. So when they say 'we' and 'we've' they are referring to their employers and actually are writing pre-prepared sentences. I guess they know little about the real technical and legal issues and are just serving their paymasters. They say and write what they are paid to do. If you want to find a little more about Phorm (and you should), do a search on the net. Read the blogs and forums not run by Phorm and the ISP's involved and make up your own mind. The ‘Phorm Comms Team’ has been already been ‘outed’ as a well paid team of PR merchants whose purpose is to look out for potentially damaging anti-Phorm issues and reply to ‘bad press’. So when they say ‘we’ and ‘we’ve’ they are referring to their employers and actually are writing pre-prepared sentences. I guess they know little about the real technical and legal issues and are just serving their paymasters. They say and write what they are paid to do.

If you want to find a little more about Phorm (and you should), do a search on the net. Read the blogs and forums not run by Phorm and the ISP’s involved and make up your own mind.

]]> By: tony http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-104 tony Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:52:11 +0000 http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-104 hi Phorm Comms Team You post the same answer in every forum on the web. Ernst & Young, was audited under USA LAW. It does not apply in the UK You can disagree with the report all you like. That does not make your opinion right. I do not care what you think. I do not have a contract with you. 8,123 people have already signed the Petition at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/ Saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over again will not make it legal. You have been found out spinning this too many times over the past few weeks, TAKE NOTE. DO NOT WANT. WILL NOT USE your system hi Phorm Comms Team

You post the same answer in every forum on the web.

Ernst & Young, was audited under USA LAW. It does not apply in the UK

You can disagree with the report all you like. That does not make your opinion right.

I do not care what you think. I do not have a contract with you.

8,123 people have already signed the Petition at

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/

Saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over again will not make it legal.

You have been found out spinning this too many times over the past few weeks, TAKE NOTE. DO NOT WANT. WILL NOT USE your system

]]> By: abdel http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-101 abdel Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:48:36 +0000 http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-101 YOU ARE A LIAR AND BIG LIAR..i just checked my cookies and find out that webwise.net was active,let say reside in my PC and the date this cookie will expire in 08/01/3000.to find out how.please go to tools on firefox then options then click privacy then show cookies a page will appear then you will see on left hand all cookies click on a.webwise.net then click again on a.webwise.net at this stage go to the bottom of the page and you will see the full content of the cookie and how long will track your surfing habits very simple.for the time being im working on something more secure and so far i managed to block webwise ads and its viruses and spyware.if you find out that you are being watched then the best option is to leave your ISP ASAP. abdel ABDEL YOU ARE A LIAR AND BIG LIAR..i just checked my cookies and find out that webwise.net was active,let say reside in my PC and the date this cookie will expire in 08/01/3000.to find out how.please go to tools on firefox then options then click privacy then show cookies a page will appear then you will see on left hand all cookies click on a.webwise.net then click again on a.webwise.net at this stage go to the bottom of the page and you will see the full content of the cookie and how long will track your surfing habits very simple.for the time being im working on something more secure and so far i managed to block webwise ads and its viruses and spyware.if you find out that you are being watched then the best option is to leave your ISP ASAP.
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]]> By: Mark http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-100 Mark Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:40:05 +0000 http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-100 Smoke and mirrors from Team Phorm. The link below shows a different opinion. I would not want to be an investor when the Information Comissioner rules on this. Smoke and mirrors from Team Phorm.

The link below shows a different opinion. I would not want to be an investor when the Information Comissioner rules on this.

]]> By: Jamie Hunter http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-99 Jamie Hunter Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:15:20 +0000 http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-99 Here we are again, the same old standard response everywhere the Phorm Comms/PR/Tech team goes. The broken record approach won't work. There are a lot of technically aware people who reject Phorm's arguments because they do not answer questions which have been raised. How arrogant can a company be to claim that someone as eminent as Sir Tim Berners-Lee doesn't have an adequate understanding of web privacy issues? I quote Sir Tim for you, as a reminder: "It's mine, you can't have it", referring to his internet activity data. Anyone wondering what the fuss is about and why people are objecting so vigorously to Phorm and everything they stand for should head on over to The Register's updated article summary at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_roundup/ or by visiting the Cable Forum discussion thread at http://urltea.com/2zie I think you will find a lot more useful information in those two places than at Phorm's PR site. I am a Phorm free zone. I will remain a Phorm free zone. I am not a target market. I am not a product. I am an informed customer and my decision is to reject Phorm and everything they stand for. Here we are again, the same old standard response everywhere the Phorm Comms/PR/Tech team goes. The broken record approach won’t work. There are a lot of technically aware people who reject Phorm’s arguments because they do not answer questions which have been raised.

How arrogant can a company be to claim that someone as eminent as Sir Tim Berners-Lee doesn’t have an adequate understanding of web privacy issues?

I quote Sir Tim for you, as a reminder: “It’s mine, you can’t have it”, referring to his internet activity data.

Anyone wondering what the fuss is about and why people are objecting so vigorously to Phorm and everything they stand for should head on over to The Register’s updated article summary at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_roundup/ or by visiting the Cable Forum discussion thread at http://urltea.com/2zie

I think you will find a lot more useful information in those two places than at Phorm’s PR site.

I am a Phorm free zone. I will remain a Phorm free zone. I am not a target market. I am not a product. I am an informed customer and my decision is to reject Phorm and everything they stand for.

]]> By: John Horbury http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-98 John Horbury Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:22:27 +0000 http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-98 I notice that Phorm's contracted PR organisations are again posting c**p on every web site/blog they can find. I just hope to goodness this is a sign of desparation, and this company will soon go out of business - a hope I am sure is shared by the majority of broadband users. I notice that Phorm’s contracted PR organisations are again posting c**p on every web site/blog they can find. I just hope to goodness this is a sign of desparation, and this company will soon go out of business - a hope I am sure is shared by the majority of broadband users.

]]> By: OF1975 http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-97 OF1975 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:06:32 +0000 http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-97 Once again the Phorm PR team comes along to try and spin its way out of trouble. Phorm can claim that its technology is compliant with DPA, RIPA but time will tell. Already complaints to the police are being readied because of BT and Phorm carrying out an illegal trial of their system last year without obtaining users consent. The share price of Phorm has nosedived by over 30% recently. Additionally, what Phorm neglect to tell everyone is that their consultations and audits with experts such as Ernst & Young were carried out to US standards NOT UK ones. Lots more information can be found here: http://www.badphorm.co.uk/page.php?2 Once again the Phorm PR team comes along to try and spin its way out of trouble. Phorm can claim that its technology is compliant with DPA, RIPA but time will tell. Already complaints to the police are being readied because of BT and Phorm carrying out an illegal trial of their system last year without obtaining users consent. The share price of Phorm has nosedived by over 30% recently.

Additionally, what Phorm neglect to tell everyone is that their consultations and audits with experts such as Ernst & Young were carried out to US standards NOT UK ones.

Lots more information can be found here:

http://www.badphorm.co.uk/page.php?2

]]> By: Phorm Comms Team http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-95 Phorm Comms Team Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:20:53 +0000 http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broadband-news/2008/03/20/phorm%e2%80%99s-internet-tracking-service-%e2%80%98illegal%e2%80%99-academics-say/#comment-95 Phorm disagrees with FIPR's analysis. And its description of the Phorm system is inaccurate. Our technology complies with the Data Protection Act, RIPA and other applicable UK laws. We've sought our own legal opinions as well as consulted widely with experts such as Ernst & Young, 80/20 Strategic Thinking, the Home Office, Ofcom and the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO). We discussed our system with the ICO prior to launching it and continue to be in dialogue with the organisation. You can ask questions about the system and get loads more information by visiting http://blog.webwise.com, www.webwise.com or www.phorm.com. Phorm disagrees with FIPR’s analysis. And its description of the Phorm system is inaccurate. Our technology complies with the Data Protection Act, RIPA and other applicable UK laws. We’ve sought our own legal opinions as well as consulted widely with experts such as Ernst & Young, 80/20 Strategic Thinking, the Home Office, Ofcom and the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO). We discussed our system with the ICO prior to launching it and continue to be in dialogue with the organisation.
You can ask questions about the system and get loads more information by visiting http://blog.webwise.com, www.webwise.com or www.phorm.com.

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